Former President Barack Obama opened up about the reality of his and Michelle Obama’s marriage. Earlier this month, the 61-year-old revealed how his two terms in the White House impacted their relationship.

Barack and Michelle Obama have been the gold standard of relationship goals for a long time. But lately? The rumor mill has been working overtime, churning out all kinds of gossip about a supposed rough patch in their marriage.

Michelle Obama’s new podcast has clocked in at 34th on Spotify’s top podcast chart, just weeks after she released its first episode with her brother, Craig Robinson. On Apple Podcasts, it ranks higher at 21, according to Fox News, which added that the podcast, titled “IMO,” was launched in early March by Michelle Obama and Robinson.